I came across this comment and was compelled to share:
A haiku poet wrote the following and submitted it for approval to his teacher:
A dragonfly
Remove the wings
Bright red pepperpod!
The teacher disapproved strongly and suggested this:
Bright red pepperpod,
Add wings
A Dragonfly!
The student, reading that, burst into tears and came to enlightenment. We have been taking dragonflies and tearing their wings off now for years with our political opposition.
Our discourse is destructive and profoundly dis-integrative. We need to reverse the direction of the wheel. We need to start putting the wings back on—-liberating all of our discourse back into the sky of enmity-free community.
Posted by Lux Umbra Dei
July 15, 2008 7:36 PM
I, for one, will be doing my best to put the wings back on the dragonflies I savaged over the previous months. I can’t promise perfection, but I will guarantee continued effort.
Namaste.
Any formatting errors on the provided quote are mine. I look forward to your thoughts. (Don’t forget to recommend if you are so inclined.)
John McCain
remove the hype
cranky old guy!
Nice. We can add a haiku subplot to the thread:
Broken Windows
Wash the rest
With stones
Phillip William Gramm
noticed there’s a recession
hidden in your mind
Five, seven, and five
Syllables in a haiku
That is the number
I think that technically the syllable counts are a western invention. In Japan a haiku is a poem you can say in a breath.
I just did a little reading on Wikipedia and it seems the syllables are part of Japanese tradition, but the line breaks are a Western addition.
Also, of course, this haiku was probably written in Japanese originally.
Destor knows the rules.
Where was he when I was 10?
Haikus caused stress then.
God, I love that avatar!
You earned it Bev 🙂
Barack Obama
Chooses for his VP pick
Hillary Clinton
🙂 🙂 🙂
dijamo gets it! Although I’m not exactly in agreement with the sentiment…
I think Obama’s VP candidates should be winnowed down by who else fits into haiku format. It’s the only thing that makes sense. I will send this recommendation to Caroline Kennedy stat!
It’s hard to argue with that logic.
Let’s see who that leaves:
Dennis Kucinich also has 5 syllables
Senator Jim Webb has 5 syllables
Kathleen Sibelius has 5 syllables (the way I pronounce it, at least)
Senator Biden has 5 syllables
Senator Edwards has 5 syllables
William Richardson has 5 syllables
😉
Just pointing this out
But Ashlie Ben Hocking has
Five syllables, too
Strange enough it’s true
My full name also matches
******Dija Mo********
bdhbd
hbdhbdh
bdhvp
I found this as:
Pull the wings off a dragonfly, and look – you get a red pepperpod!
Which could be somewhat awkwardly be restructured as:
Pull the wings off a
dragonfly, and look – you get
a red pepperpod!
And:
Add wings to a pepperpod, and look – you get a red dragonfly!
Which is even more awkwardly restructured as:
Add wings to a pep-
perpod, and look – you get
a red dragonfly!
Thanks for the info
On syllable etiquette
Haiku novice here
Ben, being a jerk,
Adds to a blog post only
Technicalities
Take a spry grandpa,
Add a vomit-green background:
It’s John McCain!
I like good structure
That is why in poetry
Haikus are for me
Whining John McCain
Panders to America
Blessed are the deaf
Speaking of what McCain says, I posted a blog about what I think may be a Bosnia-gate moment for the Republican nominee. His statements about Dr. King in his speech today do not match up with what he said on April 4, 2008.
Two voices, one face.
John McCain harmonizes
In tone deaf discord.
Like long lost lovers
Embracing so tenderly
Dubya, Johnny Mac
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/05/bush-mccain-embrace/
This is –sniff–beautiful!
All bills from now on
Should be written in haiku
Change we believe in
Enacted this day:
Drag tortured students through tests
No child left behind
Don Key ruins my dream
Proves that even quite bad bills
Can be in haiku
My fellow posters
are twittering strangely
yet happy it sounds
Damn, I’m hopeless
Please don’t give up bug.
Because haikus can be fun.
So try again . . .please.
Encouraging Bruce
Thinks not through the folly of
Egging on the bee
Seeing past one vote
means clearing out your vision
so try some FISine
That haiku could go
Either way it seems to me
Bonus: unity
Recommend this blog
Because TPM needs more
Haiku poetry
I’m sick of fighting.
Can’t we all just get along?
But would we be bored?
Not if we’re poets
swapping versus for verses
and… limericks are next.
I hypothesize
That for dester limerick
Has two syllables
Dija should’ve known
Destor’s a New Yorker too
Limerick two syl bills
Oh Goody Goody!
Limericks are golden ticket
New forms of “ass” words!
There once was a poster named destor
Whose comments were always the best, er
Unlike workerbee’s
pathetic entries
Nature boy never does pester
Nice. :O)
We should stop fighting,
but the debate rages on,
boredom not involved.
I somehow think an obvious conversational thread of this blog was missed, but haiku’s fun right up until the point it’s annoying. :O)
Jason’s main point good
But haikus can be great fun
Just like dragonflies
Like Yoda, this blog,
offers pebbles of wisdom
in twisted grammar pretzels.
Oops:
Like Yoda, this blog,
offers pebbles of wisdom
in grammar pretzels.
Actually, I think all the poetizing is proof that we do get your point. If we can all have fun together than maybe the vitriol was never as bad as any of us thought.
Good point.
The goofiness and gentle ribbing the thread produced tells me that the vitriol is more melodramatic chest-beating from a bunch of wannabe revolutionaries than anything else.
Our natural state is grace.
lets see twenty posts..
Not a single snarky put-down
My work here is done!
How boring this path!
No outlets for dazzling wit-
Hellish–this “goodness”!!
Lux
AKA “Goody Two-Sandals”
Namaste
Goody two-sandals
twists and contorts strangely
to pat self on back
Bug Bug what a treat
Drinks forever falls on feet
Hey Bug, pretty neat!
The wits will have out
as sparcity of goodness
leads to loud defense.
Goody Two Sandals
Laments his gift of haikus
Namaste Shri Dei
Stop old dragon lies
Can we still tear the wings off
John McCain’s campaign?
Compassion means not
Allowing others to fly
Where they should not go
Sits in stillness
Head resting in hands
One good shit.
With apologies to Rodin and all haiku lovers everywhere.
Oh my!
And Jason, thanks for reprinting that. Dragonflies with wings are so much more inspiring.
“Love is but the song we sing,
And fear’s the way we die
You can make the mountains ring
Or make the angels cry
Know the dove is on the wing
And you need not know why.”
That dates me.
C’mon people now, smile on your brother,
Everybody get together and love one another right now…
BevD chooses words
Moved me then and do so now
Bev to thee I bow
==I, for one, will be doing my best to put the wings back on the dragonflies I savaged over the previous months. I can’t promise perfection, but I will guarantee continued effort.==
Did this decision come before or after you savagely attacked me as being a Russian-American?
For daring to voice my opposition to the passage of the current FISA legislation, of course.
A beut of a post it was too – hit all the right points – “fresh of the boat”, “citizenship exam”, etc.
OCTbIHb! Dimitry.
Jason gets it. He alone understood it.
I actually never “attacked” you for being Russian American. I asked if being new to this country was responsible for your ignorance of Constitutional precedence.
Now, I recognize that was an attack to you, but it was hardly a standard definition of an attack nor did it explicitly state that being “new off the boat” was a bad thing, just that it could have been a contributing factor to your limited understanding of American History.
I did apologize for said assumption, but apparently that got missed in your pique. In my defense, that happened in the past. This blog is looking forward to changing this paradigm for the future and will be something I am working on.
So, yes, had we had a similar exchange today, I would hope I would be able to state my opinion in such a way that it doesn’t belittle yours, though that is usually not my intention.
It is more of using hyperbole to poke holes in argument I find absurd, though I am freely admitting that is a tactic that leaves red pepperpods in my wake and not dragonflies and will be one I am seeking to change.
Bright red pepperpods
Drying in the hot sun
Dragonflies play in the sky
Bright west wind blowing the grasses
I shade my eyes and watch for you…
Who two hands meet
Where is the sound?
Stars wheel through a vast, empty sky
Amazing, astounding
This blogging software
Where is the edit function?
Burma Shave
Does a dragon fly
A thousand skies; the fly’s eyes
Fly with the dragon
One hand is blogging.
Who types as fast as the wind?
It is not McCain.
Wait, wait…was there an apology in there?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/dont-disagree-with-me.php
Don’t forget, Jason…you’re a scorpion.
http://allaboutfrogs.org/stories/scorpion.html
Nah. I am sea turtle who can give scorpions rides without fear of being stung.
I am sorry for being an asshole, not for being right.
“Not for being right.”
Heh…as I suspected, no change here…just a scorpion. Even with Dimitry you can’t simply say, “Yep, my bad. Sorry.” And move on. No…it is full of excuses and “you misunderstood.” This entire post then appears to be superficial and self congratulatory.
Anyway, good luck.
This is why it makes it hard to ever step away from the weapons. I try to use humor and you turn it into some sort of ego thing.
Yes, humor has a touch of truth in it and if I didn’t think I was right, why would I bother to say anything? The notion that I will continue to think I am right, but try to do so in a way that doesn’t make me an asshole at the same time is somehow logically inconsistent to you?
I don’t get it.
Dimitry comes in with a tale of a minor scuffle from a couple days ago as some sort of way to counter the sentiment in this blog or my willingness to change. You call my reply “excuses” and an inability to take responsibility for my part in that little drama, when all I was doing was clearing up an misconceptions. I had already apologized for my behavior on the thread in question and will not continue to cry “Mea culpa!” until he feels better about the exchange.
Your standards are unreachable because you don’t really strive to meet them yourself.
Scorpion,
My standards are clearly higher than yours. I see that now. I was wrong to suggest you meet them.
Again, good luck.
Check and mate.
Game, set, match.
You’re funny. :O)
I wanted to simply say that Lux Umbra Dei’s posted comment is very powerful and moving. Thanks, Jason, for catching it and re-posting it for all of us to see.
My pleasure. It struck me as something important to share. It will continue to help me reconcile the poet as a logical extension of the warrior.
Wings attached with glue
Do not a dragonfly make.
Nor the opposite.
Depends on the glue
I use when reattaching
the dragonfly’s wings
Magical thinking
Does not transform a pepper
Into dragonfly.
Pessimistic thoughts
Do not transform Obama
turning man to frog
Yesterday the sparrows
Ate all the raspberries in my yard
How thoughtless!
Those little bastards
ate all our raspberries too
though just a handful
Two arrow points meet in mid air. 🙂
There once was a John name McCain
Who had great plans for your pain.
When asked the details
He searched his entrails
And came out with Remember the Maine!
This is not the place
To post a limerick. My
Bad. Here’s a haiku.
A frog is a frog.
Obama is Obama.
This haiku is done.
Sometimes a frog is
But a tadpole becoming
The frog it will be
Is the small tadpole
the father of the grown frog?
Then heed the tadpole.
Frog’s inner tadpole
Like tadpole’s potential frog
Are just suggestions
Barack wrote about hope
McCain served and endured
The pen or the sword?
==Dimitry comes in with a tale of a minor scuffle from a couple days ago as some sort of way to counter the sentiment in this blog or my willingness to change. You call my reply “excuses” and an inability to take responsibility for my part in that little drama, when all I was doing was clearing up an misconceptions. I had already apologized for my behavior on the thread in question and will not continue to cry “Mea culpa!” until he feels better about the exchange.==
The problem is, it wasn’t a minor scuffle to me. I generally stay away from forums where racist or anti-immigrant comments and responses are heard – I find these attitudes nauseating.
So when after only about a week of active posts, the “arguments” against my position on FISA turned suddently to “you must be fresh of the boat to be this stupid and ignorant and don’t they require any knowledge of American history as part of your citizenship exam”, I strongly considered dropping any attempts at participation.
Your “apology” is really not one. You said you are “sorry” for assuming I WAS “fresh off the boat”, i.e. I WAS stupid and ignorant, just NOT because I was a NEW immigrant. I never felt you actually regretted using someone’s ethnic heritage as a “weapon” against them. And it goes without saying that my knowledge of American history, while limited in absolute terms, is VASTLY more superior than exists on the average within the American population.
Now, frankly, I don’t reaaly give a manure. I lost count how many times native-born Americans would eventually use the ethnic card in an argument – happens to me in a reasonably regular basis on the web. It ticks me off, but most of you people who do it simply don’t think this is offensive.
However, if you apologize, it should be for the perceived offense, not for a “misunderstanding” or wrong “assumption”. It’s like one of those passive-aggressive “apologies” politicians issue after shooting off their mouth into a live mike – “If my comments offended anyone, I apologize, it was not my intention, as my real meaning was misunderstood”.
Yikes! Is that the actual quote? That’s obnoxious even by his pretty high standards! Good lord.
It wasn’t really all that bad on second reading.
I am probably just being overly sensitive on this point.
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Are you a new immigrant? Because you seem to advocate a style of political action that has only led to one thing in this country – fires and bloodshed and revolution.
…
Historical perspective is part of the citizenship test these right? If you grew up here, then I don’t understand your lack of context on these issues.
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I have seen a lot worse in the past. It’s fairly benign, by web standards, anyway.
I probably should not have been giving “Jason” here a hard time.
Thanks, dimitry. I am trying to back off the type of language that inflames differences rather than foster misunderstanding.
Oops. Rather than foster understanding is what I meant to say.
That is not an actual quote.
Also, I apologized for implying immigrants were or are ignorant of American history as a matter of course. I think we are all interlopers on this continent.
It was admittedly an error in judgment for sarcastic repartee in response to an over-the-top “Barack is Betrayed Us All” comment.
I would say we both did an able job of making asses of ourselves.
di mitry, I’ve enjoyed reading your comments. They are always informed and insightful. I remember that post, which, ironically, had to do with Obamanauts attacking critics with name calling. I saw Jason’s ridiculous bigoted replies but skimmed right by it as I’ve become used to some commenters’ ad hominem insults (“You’re a f*cking a**hole” being a common reply, especially at TPMEC). I usually let that kind of reply speak for itself, but I should have said something at the time and I’m sorry I didn’t. We haven’t policed ourselves here very well, though some have tried. And you’re right; an apology requires an honest admission of the misbehavior.
Zebracat wants to,
Write a haiku but can not,
Remember how to…
Sensitive to slight,
Skin too thin to live under
the blogosphere’s lights?
The answer was known,
The question never asked,
The truth is silent.
… so much depends on
the blogger,
oblivious to the red wheel barrow
covered in rainwater
beside the white chickens.
[I like the red and white contrast]
Child in warm red coat
Makes an angel in the snow
Blackbird flutters wings
Blood red stains the ground,
White huddles fearful
Blackest smoke blocks bluest sky
Surge being complete
A century more he says
Must we linger here
Donkey’s persistence
impresses and perplexes.
Shall Tankard concede?
Superdelegates
Might switch allegiance
“To Denver!” you shout
Putting put wings on a pepperpod does not result in a dragonfly or a flying pepperpod. It may get snapped up at a garage sale for $.50 though.
As George Carlin said,
“Nail two things together” and
Some schmuck will buy it.
A pepperfly
Born from maggots
Red Dragon Rot!
What…………?
But can you count?
Enlightened discourse
Engenders novel thinking
Beyond ours alone.
Singing happily this spring day,
the pains of the sitting hall left behind;
the Buddha on the altar has peeling paint,
The west wind blows over the eastern mountains.
Who would have guessed it comes to this,
the scuffed shoe catches on a polished root;
radiant light springs up in the well,
the departing figure turns not her head.
–Lux UD
With apologies to Basho….
Fleas, lice,
Smells like pee.
Must be a Fox near my pillow.